Cracks, Why? - The Vertical Artisans Forum2024-03-28T16:29:06Zhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/forum/topics/cracks-why?commentId=2294914%3AComment%3A24780&feed=yes&xn_auth=noHey kyle, this mix is really…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-07-03:2294914:Comment:632572011-07-03T21:17:59.986Zjeff kirt/ kirtbag Carving mixhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/jeffkirt
Hey kyle, this mix is really just for thin overlay applications. I have a mix im putting out i can send you a couple bags to practice with. Let me know if your interested.
Hey kyle, this mix is really just for thin overlay applications. I have a mix im putting out i can send you a couple bags to practice with. Let me know if your interested. Jeff, Is this recipe what you…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-07-03:2294914:Comment:631622011-07-03T15:40:48.877ZKyle Nicholsonhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/KyleNicholson
Jeff, Is this recipe what you use? And Chris, how did it work out for you?<br></br><br></br><cite>jeff kirt said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>Hey dion, look on concrete solutions web site and look into polymer overlay specs. It gives you overlay recipes. I believe they are for horizontal, but with adding less water the will prob work well. They take stamps well. Also like Chris said, sbc mix is 1 part cement and 1 part #60 silica sand, and 1 part #90 silica sand and polymer. Thats all thats in bryans mix.…</div>
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Jeff, Is this recipe what you use? And Chris, how did it work out for you?<br/><br/><cite>jeff kirt said:</cite>
<blockquote><div>Hey dion, look on concrete solutions web site and look into polymer overlay specs. It gives you overlay recipes. I believe they are for horizontal, but with adding less water the will prob work well. They take stamps well. Also like Chris said, sbc mix is 1 part cement and 1 part #60 silica sand, and 1 part #90 silica sand and polymer. Thats all thats in bryans mix. Works great. Fly ash would help to slow it down and make it stickier. Just my opinion.</div>
</blockquote> thanks Jeff for the recipe. g…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-04-06:2294914:Comment:480672011-04-06T22:14:27.079ZChris Lloydhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/ChrisLloyd
<p>thanks Jeff for the recipe. going to give it a try tomorrow. damn, the things you learn on this forum,</p>
<p>I LOVE IT!!!!!</p>
<p>thanks Jeff for the recipe. going to give it a try tomorrow. damn, the things you learn on this forum,</p>
<p>I LOVE IT!!!!!</p> Hey dion, look on concrete so…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-04-06:2294914:Comment:480592011-04-06T01:37:00.197Zjeff kirt/ kirtbag Carving mixhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/jeffkirt
Hey dion, look on concrete solutions web site and look into polymer overlay specs. It gives you overlay recipes. I believe they are for horizontal, but with adding less water the will prob work well. They take stamps well. Also like Chris said, sbc mix is 1 part cement and 1 part #60 silica sand, and 1 part #90 silica sand and polymer. Thats all thats in bryans mix. Works great. Fly ash would help to slow it down and make it stickier. Just my opinion.
Hey dion, look on concrete solutions web site and look into polymer overlay specs. It gives you overlay recipes. I believe they are for horizontal, but with adding less water the will prob work well. They take stamps well. Also like Chris said, sbc mix is 1 part cement and 1 part #60 silica sand, and 1 part #90 silica sand and polymer. Thats all thats in bryans mix. Works great. Fly ash would help to slow it down and make it stickier. Just my opinion. Something Better Co. Inc. mak…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-04-06:2294914:Comment:480102011-04-06T01:05:11.169ZChris Lloydhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/ChrisLloyd
Something Better Co. Inc. makes an overlay specifically for this. You can overlay cabinets doors and all kinds of wood projects. they are located in Arizona. I have used a few of his products and they make some good stuff... Hope this helps<br></br>
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<cite>Lee Woolsey said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://verticalartisans.ning.com/forum/topics/cracks-why?xg_source=activity#2294914Comment47907"><div><p>Concrete Coatings Inc makes a stampable overlay in both white and gray mixes (…</p>
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Something Better Co. Inc. makes an overlay specifically for this. You can overlay cabinets doors and all kinds of wood projects. they are located in Arizona. I have used a few of his products and they make some good stuff... Hope this helps<br/>
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<cite>Lee Woolsey said:</cite><br />
<blockquote cite="http://verticalartisans.ning.com/forum/topics/cracks-why?xg_source=activity#2294914Comment47907"><div><p>Concrete Coatings Inc makes a stampable overlay in both white and gray mixes (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html" target="_blank">http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html</a>). It has fiber in the mix and feels kind of granular, but it holds texture well and works pretty well in shower applications. We made a great barn-wood sample for our last home show display with it. (You have to use a VAE primer or it'll delaminate -- <a rel="nofollow" href="http://concretecoatingsinc.com/duraset-vae.html" target="_blank">http://concretecoatingsinc.com/duraset-vae.html</a> )</p>
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<p>All the other showers I do, have either used their G-100 grout & modifier or Tru-Pak.</p>
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</blockquote> Concrete Coatings Inc makes a…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2011-04-05:2294914:Comment:479072011-04-05T20:59:53.030ZLee Woolseyhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/LeeWoolsey
<p>Concrete Coatings Inc makes a stampable overlay in both white and gray mixes (<a href="http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html" target="_blank">http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html</a>). It has fiber in the mix and feels kind of granular, but it holds texture well and works pretty well in shower applications. We made a great barn-wood sample for our last home show display with it. (You have to use a VAE primer or it'll delaminate --…</p>
<p>Concrete Coatings Inc makes a stampable overlay in both white and gray mixes (<a href="http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html" target="_blank">http://concretecoatingsinc.com/stamp_tek_stampable_overlay.html</a>). It has fiber in the mix and feels kind of granular, but it holds texture well and works pretty well in shower applications. We made a great barn-wood sample for our last home show display with it. (You have to use a VAE primer or it'll delaminate -- <a href="http://concretecoatingsinc.com/duraset-vae.html" target="_blank">http://concretecoatingsinc.com/duraset-vae.html</a> )</p>
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<p>All the other showers I do, have either used their G-100 grout & modifier or Tru-Pak.</p> So would an overlay be recomm…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2010-07-02:2294914:Comment:284692010-07-02T23:42:47.439ZPaulhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/Paul
So would an overlay be recommend for a shower surround? Is there an available overlay mix in white?<br />
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So would an overlay be recommend for a shower surround? Is there an available overlay mix in white?<br />
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-Paul Wow, I cannot believe the ind…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2010-03-04:2294914:Comment:248902010-03-04T05:34:33.540ZDion Battleshttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/DionBattles
Wow, I cannot believe the indepth answers I get here. Thank you all for treating me and my questions, like yjey mean something. I really do respect you all for that. Thanks again!<br />
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I will try the overlayment mix for "vertical wood", I have used it for floors, I guess I just need to use my brain and think outside the box a lttle bit. Thanks for opening my eyes.<br />
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Wow, I cannot believe the indepth answers I get here. Thank you all for treating me and my questions, like yjey mean something. I really do respect you all for that. Thanks again!<br />
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I will try the overlayment mix for "vertical wood", I have used it for floors, I guess I just need to use my brain and think outside the box a lttle bit. Thanks for opening my eyes.<br />
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Dion Dion on the thin areas like t…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2010-03-01:2294914:Comment:248272010-03-01T03:07:47.770ZJody Smithhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/JodySmith
Dion on the thin areas like the wood graining of a door I would use nothing but an overlay mix. When facing a door I would remove it to create the wood grain horizontal only if you are stamping or texture rolling it though. If you are going to carve the texture then I would leave it hanging so that the carve debris fall to the floor and out of your way. The overlays dry quicker so once you trowel be ready to apply your textures. I have created many fountains with the wood grain spillways. I…
Dion on the thin areas like the wood graining of a door I would use nothing but an overlay mix. When facing a door I would remove it to create the wood grain horizontal only if you are stamping or texture rolling it though. If you are going to carve the texture then I would leave it hanging so that the carve debris fall to the floor and out of your way. The overlays dry quicker so once you trowel be ready to apply your textures. I have created many fountains with the wood grain spillways. I went through board after board and mix after mix to fight the cracking it wasn’t the mix it was the process and material I was using. I went to a concrete overlay mix and the problem stopped, I have to stress that everything needs to be in place so that you get the timing right for the texturing. Most overlays have retarders and accelerators as well to customize your dry times. The overlays have more flexibility and a door needs that, I trowel it to ¼”. I use the overlays in all of the water areas on the standup fountains due to the non-porous properties that most overlays have. Trust me it will stick I once painted glass with mastic and applied the overlay and it locked on solid. The Tru-Pac was great for me and I applied it at around 1.5” to 2” and I had no cracking. I look forward to carving more with it in the future. Please let me know how the overlay mix works for you I think this will help you out. Good luck with the wood graining and I can’t wait to see some new pictures of your work. Don great job on staying with this issue and helping Dion find the perfect mix for his application. This is why I love this forum the artisans knowledge is endless. I owe so much to this forum and the first class artisans that inspire me everyday.<br />
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<cite>Don/Walttools said:</cite><blockquote cite="http://verticalartisans.ning.com/forum/topics/cracks-why?xg_source=activity#2294914Comment24821"><div>The tweaking refers to making sure the scatchcoat is proper for what you are doing, in this case the wood graining.in order to prevent as a rapid a dryout as you have had. A light prime will help with the moisture retention. Masonry cement as an overlayment will not be so good. It may end up like a dry river bed when you are through. Really, the best choice if you are purely graining would be to use an standard overlayment mix and Nate had mentioned. It is made for thin applications, many are designed to take texture, will actually offer a finer finish and structurally will offer more integrity. Jody may be able to chime in on this as well.</div>
</blockquote> The tweaking refers to making…tag:verticalartisans.ning.com,2010-03-01:2294914:Comment:248212010-03-01T00:55:40.947ZTru Pac/Walttools/Donhttp://verticalartisans.ning.com/profile/Don
The tweaking refers to making sure the scatchcoat is proper for what you are doing, in this case the wood graining.in order to prevent as a rapid a dryout as you have had. A light prime will help with the moisture retention. Masonry cement as an overlayment will not be so good. It may end up like a dry river bed when you are through. Really, the best choice if you are purely graining would be to use an standard overlayment mix and Nate had mentioned. It is made for thin applications, many are…
The tweaking refers to making sure the scatchcoat is proper for what you are doing, in this case the wood graining.in order to prevent as a rapid a dryout as you have had. A light prime will help with the moisture retention. Masonry cement as an overlayment will not be so good. It may end up like a dry river bed when you are through. Really, the best choice if you are purely graining would be to use an standard overlayment mix and Nate had mentioned. It is made for thin applications, many are designed to take texture, will actually offer a finer finish and structurally will offer more integrity. Jody may be able to chime in on this as well.